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Footwear on Orientation Trips

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Kevin Porter Posted: 12-03-2007 10:17 AM

 I am on the Steering Committee for Harvard's First-Year Outdoor Program and the policy of our program is that camp shoes must cover the whole foot.  This limits our students to basically old sneakers, which can take days to dry after being wet.  After our very wet training trips last spring, several leader trainees developed trench foot.  I know for me one of the greatest feelings of relief while hiking is kicking my boots off in the late afternoon and letting my feet dry in my Crocs. I was wondering if anyone could point to any research that suggests that closed sneakers are safer than crocs, keenes or other similar shoes.  So far I have only seen anecdotal support for Crocs and would be very interested to know if there was some more concrete evidence for them. Also, I would be interested to hear what other orientation programs' policies are in reference to camp shoes.  Thanks for any advice you can offer!

~Kevin Porter 

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Kevin, this is a question of how to manage different 'foot risks' which are in some ways in conflict with each other. Completely open-toed shoes like Teva sandals can result in foot lacerations from debris around camp. We require fully closed shoes (not Crocs or Keens) whenever anyone is working with a stove. This is because we've had students spill hot water on their foot, in one case wearing sandals and wool socks and the person still received burns. the same thing would happen with any 'open' shoe and of course the risk of spilled stove fuel. The question of trenchfoot can also be risk in certain weather conditions. The question is how many pairs of shoes do you bring on a trip. In our setting if you only have Crocs and boots and you are working with the stove, you have to be in your boots. If your feet are wet and conditions are cold that means taking the time to air dry your feet, put on dry socks and then put your boots back on before working with the stove.
 
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 Hi Kevin,

I don't think you'll find any research on this subject - how would you do it, either field-based or in the lab? It's just one of those things that we're never going to KNOW about and have to live with. This makes administrators and parents nervous but is at the heart of outdoor education.

Regarding Rick's concern over burns and shoe covering, I think this is more a question of how the cook sits rather than what is on his/her feet. Sitting on your bum, either cross-legged or in some other configuration is going to put your feet closest to the stove. Anything short of boots is going to allow some sort of burn is the pot tips. Squatting, however, has almost the opposite effect and allows for a quicker retreat ( I believe that's in the FOP manual too).

Cheers

Andrew 

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Camps Coordinator All Saints' College Western Australia
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